This is a thread from Facebook between myself and Kris Potts, who claims to be a Christian Pastor, I have no idea of what denomination or even if he is a Pastor. I am presenting it as a sample of how Christians keep shooting themselves in the foot with their own presentation of their religion, how they fail to grasp their own Theology, Doctrines and Dogmas; their own religions understandings, and most importantly, how it is not about love at all, but all about controlling others.
I saw the following post on a Facebook post, and responded to its stupidity.
Kris . . . “says PRO-ABORTION actor Daryl Hannah!”
Dave . . . No one is pro-abortion, in fact that term is like saying I am pro-amputation. That is why the proper term is pro-choice, it is the woman’s choice because she is the one with the uterus, Men who are not comfortable with that for whatever reason should consider how comfortable they would feel with females controlling the size and duration of male erections.
It simply is not men’s business.
By your choice of words I can easily assume your religious convictions led you to this position, so be it. Then you ought to follow your own book and “Judge not lest ye be judged”, for the judging of behavior’s is a provenance reserved for God according to the doctrines of that faith. By getting so riled up about it, it always tells me you do not really trust God, you do not really think he has a plan for the world etc., because you feel like you must change other people, when the book says that is God’s job.
Your language above, and from people like you, always screams out to me that your faith is a false one, otherwise you would just say a quiet prayer about it and leave the matter in God’s hands.
Kris . . .”You are a glorious fool: —FAIL Mark 22:28-31 “Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself”
“JUDGE YE RIGHTEOUSLY!”~ God— FAIL 0 Bible results for “JUDGE YE RIGHTEOUSLY
“JUDGE WITH RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT!~ Jesus Double FAIL 2 Bible results for “JUDGE WITH RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT Pslam 72 “He (GOD)shall judge thy people with righteousness” and Rev 19:2 “For true and righteous are his (God/Jesus)judgments”
You, Sir, came to an intellectual battle of wits and truth unarmed! FAIL Mark 28-31 “Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself”
Almost well done, Satan! FAIL Mark 22:28-31 “Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself”
By the way, she did determine the size of the erection …… when she got it erect to get pregnant! FAIL, women do not control men’s peni by remote, men decide to engage in sex as well.
You also missed that they said causing death was wrong!” FAIL Exodus 2 11-12 “2:11 And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren. And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand.”
Murder and body hiding, and this is a drop in the ocean of allowed genocides by the same idea of God
If wrong it means prochoice instead of prolife is to choose to proclaim, just as you have, that abortion is acceptable!
Since that contradicts the values espoused here, he, she and you ate (are, I will assume he did not spellcheck himself in fb chat) the frauds! FAIL, no one but the mother and doctor can know the why of any abortion, and no one but the mother can know the true depth of the decision. Should she keep a child to let it starve to death on the street? Should she keep a child to let it be raped by her violent spouse? Not being this individual we outsiders cannot grasp the totality of the issues involved in the decision itself, it is not simply the breath of a fetus becoming in months a potential baby, but a lifelong commitment. Such narrow thinking would readily condemn children to lives of misery and suffering to ease the conscience of people not involved with the child who will never watch it suffer.
As a Christian the only other person who knows is God, but this Kris is not content to let God handle it, he has to do it himself, usurping God’s authority.
You only scream for fools to follow yor (your) false constructs about who Jesus is and what He said when they seem to work for you, but you hate Him and Hid (his) followers when they dare call you wrong! FAIL Matt 5:44 “But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you” Further I don’t hate people, I don’t hate Kris, in sooth I feel pity for him if anything. I hate how he treats other people.
Boo and flagrum whip Jesus whipping and ripping the temple to What Would Jesus Do and Be More Like Jesus HOO, FOOL! FAIL Mark 22:28-31 “Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself”
Love and Non Judgmental Kisses, Pastor Kris
PS: By the way …… if you ever take your Brother Love’s Traveling Judgment of Christians Comedy and Salvation Show on the road, I’ll buy tickets for a lot of good laughs! FAIL Hebrews 11:36 “And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings” Emulating those who mocked others, like they Did Jesus or Elisha, God did not look fondly on such mockings of others.
I’ll even let you heckle me from the stage, Satan! FAIL Mark 28-31 “Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself”
Dave . . .”Use forethought in your words, for, do you not believe God creates babies? We have that power now in your mythology? It means, Sir, that it is not your business, it is the woman’s; and in your belief God’s, not your affair at all.
What ego you possess to think you know the mind of God a forethought. God aborts babies every day, we call that miscarriage. In your faith you believe God uses people to do his work, so there is no reason at all why God would not use a Dr. to abort yet another baby for his endless pyre of burning humanity to make the sweet savor of burning flesh the beast you admire so desires.
Of which Jesus do you talk Sir? Would that be the Jesus of the Gnostics who was never on Earth, the Jesus of the Pentecostals who is more about bloodshed than love, The Jesus of the Catholics, the Mormons, The Baptists, The Family, the White, the Black, or the Bronze version? Jesus comes in models like Fords, one for every person.
I am not interested in anyone following me Pastor, you’re the one calling yourself a Shepard seeking to lead sheep.
Love your cognitive dissonance, you say “Love and Non Judgmental Kisses” as you call me both a fool and Satan, but you yourself do not see that if your God is, as you say, all powerful and all knowing, then it made Satan with complete understanding and endorsement of all the evil he would do, like Al Capone using Frank Nitti to do the really Bloody work to keep his fingernails clean.
Are you quite happy in the Dark Ages of your mind, or do you also want stakes and pyre to burn folks not like yourself?
Kris . . . You’re still entertaining, David!
Who raped you as a child — your father, brother, grandfather, uncle, Scoutmaster, coach, teacher, tinker, tailor, soldier, spy, beggar man, thief, pastor or priest? MULTI FAIL Mark 28-31 Matt 5:44 Eph 4:31-32 and many more
Dave . . .So loving Kris, is that YOUR Jesus talking?
Kris . . .”You keep calling things creations! I didn’t say God created every baby! FAIL Maybe not, but your book does, John 1:3 “All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
That happens when a woman’s wahoo zone takes in a man’s happy fun stick in your pro choice paradigm, Davy!—Are penis and vagina frightening terms for adults now?
Dave . . . You know a man has no argument when he has descended into ad hominem, you have no argument, hence, like a schoolboy, you call names, and you’re the Pastor? We can assume this is how you’re teaching children to behave?
Kris . . . Speaking the truth in love, as Jesus did when He non Savior thrashed the temple! Double FAIL
First Kris fails to grasp the entirety of Ephesians which the quote (Eph 4:15) is from and then relates it to the trashing of the temple where men were seen as defiling the temple mount, the holiest of all places, with greed. He displays the antithesis of it as it shows a few verses further down. “31-32 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice. And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you”—Guess he missed these parts.
If he is not God, as you say, I have no duty to do or say as He did or said, Davy!
Dave . . .In a Christian World view, not a thing in the world happens that is not in God’s plan correct? Hence, all babies are by God’s design, and all Abortions too.
Kris . . . So, you say God planned The Holocaust and creating you? I think not, but you apparently do!
FAIL John 1:3 “All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
You wouldn’t know the meaning of ad hominem, since you’re buried in ad hoc with all you say when TU QUO QUE!? FAIL Mark 28-31 “Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself”
Dave . . . You’re the one calling yourself Pastor here. Really, is it love to send the majority of your spiritual children to everlasting fire, when you’re both all-powerful and all-knowing and could simply better educate them? Sounds like shitty parenting to me. No sir, I do not say such things, you’re religion teaches this.
Kris . . . David, you say there is no God! FAIL I have never made this claim as it requires facts not in evidence.
Thus, no matter what I say in your paradigm sends anyone to anything everlasting#
You don’t know my religion, since you deny there is a real God! FAIL “Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.”
Yes, David, you are a shitty parent! FAIL “Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.”
Finally, I agree with you!
Dave . . . No sir, I do not say there is no God, I cannot prove such an assertion. I do not believe in any. But in your world religion, your theology, everything works for the glory of God. I did not write that, it’s in your Book. Everything is rather inclusive, so it would include things like the holocaust and all abortions, it’s in the language choice, which you see as a divine choice, or divinely inspired. I do not see it that way.
Kris . . . Saying it is created by God, as you said, is not the same as saying what man did wrongly could be redeemed in various ways to bring glory from ashes and shame!
You know nothing! FAIL Mark 22:28-31 “Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself”
Dave . . . You, on the other hand, are not only claiming to know God but to know what God is, and what God wants about this and that and want to tell other people how to live according to your thoughts, which you cannot prove yourself. God is not telling me, you are, as if you are God. Don’t you think that is a tad egotistical, is it not spiritual ego?
Kris . . . Funny how you keep telling me what I believe! You don’t ask questions, since omniscient atheists like you know everything! FAIL Mark 22:28-31 “Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself”
Dave . . . If you actually have faith in and believe in and trust in Jesus, why not leave it to Jesus? Think you can do it better than Jesus? If a Man did it wrongly, is that not between that man and God? Who made you Jesus to intervene? Have your faith Sir, it is yours, but when it comes to others that is the provenance of God, not you, by your own faith. “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesars and render unto God the things which are God’s” Who are you to step onto God’s turf?
Kris . . . It would be if that was what I was doing, Tad Egotisticus Davidicus! FAIL I am not Wile E Coyte and Mark 28-31 “Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself”
I did nothing of the sort!
You have no rhetorical and/or ethical leg on which to stand until you simply shut up and quit telling me wrongly what I think and believe, let alone you saying what all Christians believe FAIL “Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.”
— which make you well beyond a tad egotistical– and simply deal with what and who you say Jesus and God are! See, are not The Coptics called Christians, and if they disbelieve in a divinity, a messiahship, then all Christians do not, as you claim, believe the same thing! So, first things first: who do you say Jesus and the God of Genesis are, Miss? FAIL Attempt to shift topic and burden
Dave . . . It is not possible to tell you what all Christians believe, as they all believe individually. There are 40,000 denominations and counting, because they do not agree and have no evidence with which to settle internal disputes. Yet they ALL claim to be Christians do they not? So how do you know you have the right flavor yourself?
Which God of Genesis, which Genesis, 1 or 2? Creation 1.0 or 1.1?
They are the attempts of early human society to make sense of a scary world where they did not understand nature at all, where blood was magical, where lightning was proof of God, where an earthquake was actual evidence of a god who was angry at you, it is Bronze Age rationalization, it is ancient literature like Gilgamesh, from which much was plagiarized when the Hebrews acquired actual language in Babylon and moved from cuneiform script to an alphabet
Kris . . . AS TO EACH OF YOUR RECENT RANTS, RESPONDING IN ORDER: I didn’t say I could do anything better than Jesus, unless Jesus is not God! If there is no God, nothing is just between a man and God!
If there is no God, no one made me Jesus to intervene; if there is a God, there is only one Jesus, who still may not be, as most Jews claim, not God; and Catholics ate right, The Pope was made Jesus to intervene, though Protestants tend to disagree with that. So, tell me, the, how you claim you know what all Christians believe and why you say they all believe the same thing? FAIL, I never claimed this
If there is a God, I’m not stepping on his turf with the hubris that flames from you trying to scorch his Earth/ as you do, FAIL Exodus 20:16 “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.”
but doing as He and Jesus commanded, speaking the truth to make disciples of all nations; but, see, as a self proclaimed expert in God’s Word and all things Christian, you know that. FAIL Exodus 20:16 “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.” (On the other hand, you use the term theology — study of God — rather than the proper term, doctrine(s), making you a rather odd theologian and prophet for any time!)
You still don’t answer, calling it all fiction, yet you demand I submit to the dictates if the fiction you even misrepresent, arguing I must follow the fiction and your subfiction and do as Jesus, you said, commanded me, which you say is to not judge!
You enjoy debating the abuses of the text and truth, not discussing it!
You are the one ranting on in a masturbatory ad hominem seizure! Take your meds and come out of the dark cabin, Ted Kaczynski, FAIL Exodus 20:16 “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.”
and tell me: to you, who are Jesus and God and what shapes your decision?… simple question! Evasion ensured! FAIL Attempt to shift topic and burden
Dave . . . Yes Sir you are “I didn’t say I could do anything better than Jesus, unless Jesus is not God!” Every time you are putting forth your idea, your interpretation of the Bible, of its meaning, to other people, there is no way to keep your interpretation out of it, that is your understanding. That replaces Jesus with you. You are not letting Jesus or the Holy Spirit act on people, You are instead, by whatever way you interpret the Book.
It is spiritual ego, an assumption that you know better than God, that you know that some poor woman, about to get an abortion, for who knows what horrid reason (Only God Knows in your world view) but you are going to jump in as if you know her better than God, and tell her she is wrong. That is spiritual ego and that is a sin against Jesus. In your own faith, you are failing to trust your own God.
I am not attacking you Kris, I am pointing out that you, by attempting to act like Jesus with the money changers, as you used in an illustration, would by default lack the mind of God (which according to Christian theology he had). You and I do not have the mind of God, we do not know the hearts of other people, cannot in fact. Without this ability we are unfit judges, yet you are quite willing to judge all women on this single issue without that knowledge, as if you have it.
Kris . . .” It is not POSSIBLE to tell you what ALL Christians believe, as they ALL believe individually. There are 40,000 denominations and counting, because they do not agree and have no evidence with which to settle internal disputes. Yet they ALL claim to be Christians do they not? So how do you know you have the right flavor yourself?”
Yet, you are the one who earlier presumed in your Satanic hubris to claim all Christians do believe the same each and every time you thought it behooved you to tell me what Christians and I believe! FAIL Exodus 20:16 “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.”
You’re the one trying to “flavor” me! FAIL Exodus 20:16 “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.”
As that because you’re really a lyin’ lion, Satan, and plan to eat the Christian after snaring him in the The Interweb World Widely Net you wield here in your digital Colosseum … FAIL Exodus 20:16 “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.”
… or do you just suffer froma homorrific lust for Christian baked goods and wanna have my Jesus loving pizza and cake and eat them, too, after you have me forced by the government to make them all fruit flavored to please your homoerotic palate, Bruce Elton John Jenner? MULTI FAIL Exodus 20:16, Matt 5:44, Heb 11:36, Eph 4-31-32 and many more
If The Holy Spirit us in us, He and Paul do, indeed, say we can and do have the mind of Christ!
Funny how after I responded, you deleted a series of rants!—FAIL I deleted nothing
Satan is that sort of fraud!— FAIL Exodus 20:16 “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.”
You still refuse to say who you claim God and Jesus are! FAIL Attempt to shift topic and burden
You’re a fraud and of Satan! FAIL Exodus 20:16 “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.”
Get thee behind me, Satan!
Dave . . .Not trying to flavor you, telling you what Christians say about themselves. If that does not fit you, cease calling yourself simply Christian and use the more specific term of your actual denomination.
Since Satan is OF God, how do you do that exactly? Satan is God’s Homeboy. He made him and set him to do evil in the world with perfect foreknowledge, what does that say about God in such a belief?
“say we can and do have the mind of Christ!” Really, you think so? You have God’s perfect mind at your disposal? So your perfect in all your thoughts, or at least can be? Then tell me, why have you not solved all the world’s ills for the glory of God?
How about something simple for God, say string theory, or abiogenesis?
Kris . . .My God FAIL My denotes ownership, does he think he owns God or does he mean he owns his conception of God?
told me what He wants, and told me in His Word, FAIL Even if the Bible were true it is still text which will always involve interpretation, so people will never get the same things from it. Hence it is always Kris’s idea of what the text means, not what God means, we are always interpreting.
not some private Charismatic revelation that says I have to go on a hunger strike in a tower until you send $65 million for a corporate jet or I die! FAIL No True Scotsman He is Jesus!
He said tat what I saw and heard in Him, do and say and be, and that He would send and fill me with His Holy spirit to share and speak the truth!
You know He said that but you claim He said to follow Him silently and say nothing to the world! FAIL Exodus 20:16 “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.”
You, not I, are the liar and fraud! Mark 22:28-31 “Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself”
You, not I, are worse than a know nothing! Mark 22:28-31 “Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself”
You know and disobey, know and misrepresent, know and distort, lie and manipulate, bitching about the abuses of the followers and led rather than addressing the person and claims and commands of the leader! FAIL Exodus 20:16 “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.”
If the OLD TESTAMENT is a fiction, Jesus is a fraud and you’re a nut case referencing a Holy Spirit any non entity sent to change anyone!
You disarmed your self when you entered battle!
You are clueless, witless and boorish! Mark 22:28-31 “Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself”
You’re a troll in search of a bridge under which to hide with Harry Potter, Bilbo Baggins, Reeves and a Mermaid! Mark 22:28-31 “Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself”
He and Daryl said LOVE LIFE!
You’re the one here advocating death! FAIL Exodus 20:16 “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.”
Good luck with that, Miss Satan! Mark 22:28-31 “Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself” There’s Davy like Goliath: still prattling on about the Sheep, not the Shepherd! Do you believe there is a God Who did all that, Davy, or believe, as you said earlier, you don’t and can’t know? If you don’t, why do you keep prattling on about fiction?
I bet you’re a Harry Potterite! Mark 22:28-31 “Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself”
Again, who raped you? FAIL Ephesians 4:32 “And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you”
Who do you say Jesus is? FAIL Attempt to shift topic and burden
Who do you say “God” is? FAIL Attempt to shift topic and burden
Are you still homosexual or a recent convert? Mark 22:28-31 “Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself” With his repeated attempts at degrading of homosexuals and attempts to emasculate me in speech, I cannot help but wonder if the man doth protest a tad too much and has some secret longing he cannot face.
Dave . . . So let me get this straight here Kris, I do not believe a bit of your faith, because to me it belittles the very notion of a god. There are some astute bits of philosophy strongly endorsed and preached by Jesus, but you seem to ignore all of that. On and on you run a string of abuse at me, attempting to belittle me, I do not say who God is or who Jesus is, I repeat claims made by your team back to you, and you get upset with me for doing so.
How are you showing me love or even turning the other cheek by asking me if I was raped (peak of callousness as I may have been, right?)
Asking me if I am a recent convert to homosexuality, tell me when did you convert to heterosexuality?
As I said before I cannot disprove God, but neither can such a concept be proved. It requires you to believe without evidence, to have faith. Do you buy a house on faith alone, a car, take a job in a far off city? You’re entitled to faith, in Goblins or Bigfoot or UFO’s or Jesus or even Zombie Jesus who came back from the dead with the whole graveyard as the Bible says, but not one historian noticed the zombie uprising in Jerusalem.
Can you see how you are painting Jesus right now? As a man of hate, who name calls and belittles others?
You say I know and disobey, but that is not true. To disobey I would have to see a God to obey. I do not see such a thing, rather I see men, often like you, full of rage and hate. So fearful that others might think differently they are unwilling to allow them thought itself. If you really had faith, you would have long ago just walked away with a prayer for my wretched soul and left the matter to more apt hands, those of God, BUT you are not about SAVING anyone.
You are about forcing others to conform to what you think and believe, otherwise you would have long ago just dropped this thread, and the fact that I refuse to conform to you, just pisses you off. You have a power issue, you’re a control freak I suspect, no wonder you’re a Pastor.
AND that is where it ended, Kris left the thread. Conservatively he failed in his assertion 54+ times, not taking into account self-refutations in context or contradictions. Under Old Testament Judaic Law he is eligible for stoning many times over, but I do not support stoning. Most of these errors are errors on scripture, or an error in simply cherry picking what suits his bigotry. The most prominent thing overall is his lack of love and compassion for others, he does not know the meaning of “love thy neighbor”, he seems not to understand that the phrase “like unto the first” makes the first and second commandment of Jesus EQUAL, that it is as important to God and Jesus in that section of the book to love your neighbor (not fellow church member) as if they WERE God himself, as if they were Jesus, to treat every human as if you were talking to Jesus. Does not fit in well with bigotry though, does it?
In this fashion, day by day, thread by thread, every minute of every day, Christianity is killing itself. If that ends all this hateful attitude, this endless despising of others because they are different from you, then I hope that is quick. If the good and moderate Christian, of whom I have known a great many, do not want this, they need to not remain silent on it. Their silence in the face of such people is killing their notion of Jesus.
With Jesus represented in such fashion everyday, why would anyone want to be Christian, to be filled with loathing of your fellow human, to be filled with spite, to be so full of hubris that all others who think the slightest bit differently are not only less, but not even human, just pawns of the Devil? Who in their right mind would want to follow such a creature, real or imagined, and become as hate filled as Kris is? How can Christians claim to be good, and claim such as Kris not Christian when you all follow the same text? And Christians wonder why the religion keeps losing ground with the young? I am surprised there are any left at all.